<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy</title>
	<atom:link href="http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/</link>
	<description>Paleoconservative Observations</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 18:32:43 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: James N. Markels</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3113</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James N. Markels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3113</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I thought Ramon was being funny. After all, I think it would also be funny to say that Hamas is really a Zionist puppet, created to delegitimize the Palestinean cause and to create sympathy for Israel. It actually makes sense, you know?

I remember seeing some moonbat lefty on DailyKos argue that President Bush was trying to orchestrate another 9/11 so he could solidify his power. That takes wilful blindness to type, much less believe. Or maybe just a really weak sense of humor.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Ramon was being funny. After all, I think it would also be funny to say that Hamas is really a Zionist puppet, created to delegitimize the Palestinean cause and to create sympathy for Israel. It actually makes sense, you know?</p>
<p>I remember seeing some moonbat lefty on DailyKos argue that President Bush was trying to orchestrate another 9/11 so he could solidify his power. That takes wilful blindness to type, much less believe. Or maybe just a really weak sense of humor.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Roach</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3111</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Ramon, if you&#039;re going to write something incendiary and juvenile, at least provide some evidence.  Otherwise I&#039;ll accuse you of masterminding 9/11 and ask you to prove me wrong.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramon, if you&#8217;re going to write something incendiary and juvenile, at least provide some evidence.  Otherwise I&#8217;ll accuse you of masterminding 9/11 and ask you to prove me wrong.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ramon Eagle</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ramon Eagle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3110</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The article is valueless since the American people for the first time hearing such a fact from two well recpected academician.One day when we learned the 9/11 was a plot, a self suicide arranged by our own goverment in the interest of Israel we will be perplexed much more.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is valueless since the American people for the first time hearing such a fact from two well recpected academician.One day when we learned the 9/11 was a plot, a self suicide arranged by our own goverment in the interest of Israel we will be perplexed much more.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ramon Eagle</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ramon Eagle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3109</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The article is valueless since the American people for the first time hearing such a fact from two well recpected academician.One day when we learned the 9/11 was a plot, a self suicide arranged by our own goverment in the interest of Israel we will be perplexed much more.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is valueless since the American people for the first time hearing such a fact from two well recpected academician.One day when we learned the 9/11 was a plot, a self suicide arranged by our own goverment in the interest of Israel we will be perplexed much more.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: E$</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E$]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3108</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Chris, what&#039;s to worry, though.  Hamas is in charge now.  Everything will be fine.  Democracy in action.  The Palestinians, tired of the PA&#039;s hack, corrupt politics, sweep Hamas into power so that every wealthy nation on earth can cut off aid to the Palestinians.  It should be noted, too, that for all their crying, the PA did manage to secure quite a bit of international aid over the years.  It&#039;s a pity most of that went into Arafat&#039;s pockets.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, what&#8217;s to worry, though.  Hamas is in charge now.  Everything will be fine.  Democracy in action.  The Palestinians, tired of the PA&#8217;s hack, corrupt politics, sweep Hamas into power so that every wealthy nation on earth can cut off aid to the Palestinians.  It should be noted, too, that for all their crying, the PA did manage to secure quite a bit of international aid over the years.  It&#8217;s a pity most of that went into Arafat&#8217;s pockets.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Roach</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3106</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3106</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The nationalism of the various third world peoples only takes back a few score years.  Most of these &quot;nations&quot; only came into being since WWII.  Zionism only dates back about 100 years. Looking at the problem in terms of historical pedigrees seems to me not the most useful approach.

That all said, I agree with James&#039; point.  There might be legitimate grievances.  And in a perfect world, they might&#039;ve been given a viable homeland around the same time as the Israelis.  But they&#039;ve forfeited most of their moral authority through despicable acts of terrorism over the last 30 years.

The worst thing about Oslo was that it empowered the worst elements of Palestinian leadership as its leaders, Arafat and his gang, instead of some of the more realistic and moderate folks that had ushered in the first intefadah and dealt with practical issues of government coextensively with the Israelis from &#039;67 to &#039;96.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nationalism of the various third world peoples only takes back a few score years.  Most of these &#8220;nations&#8221; only came into being since WWII.  Zionism only dates back about 100 years. Looking at the problem in terms of historical pedigrees seems to me not the most useful approach.</p>
<p>That all said, I agree with James&#8217; point.  There might be legitimate grievances.  And in a perfect world, they might&#8217;ve been given a viable homeland around the same time as the Israelis.  But they&#8217;ve forfeited most of their moral authority through despicable acts of terrorism over the last 30 years.</p>
<p>The worst thing about Oslo was that it empowered the worst elements of Palestinian leadership as its leaders, Arafat and his gang, instead of some of the more realistic and moderate folks that had ushered in the first intefadah and dealt with practical issues of government coextensively with the Israelis from &#8217;67 to &#8217;96.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: E$</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3105</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E$]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3105</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[One comment about the Palestinians.  Do not lose site of the fact that Arab support for these people is a relatively new idea.  When the Palestinians lived in Egypt, the Egyptians oppressed them and pushed them out of Egypt.  When they settled in Jordan, the Jordanians oppressed them and tried to push them into Syria, who would not have them.  The Palestianians were a scurge even under British rule.  No one supported these people.  They were nomads, essentially.  There was no Palestine or home land for them.  But once Israel was founded and the Arabs saw it as a good issue to unify under, the cause of the Palestinians was taken up.  Theirs is not a fight dating back centuries, but merely a few score.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One comment about the Palestinians.  Do not lose site of the fact that Arab support for these people is a relatively new idea.  When the Palestinians lived in Egypt, the Egyptians oppressed them and pushed them out of Egypt.  When they settled in Jordan, the Jordanians oppressed them and tried to push them into Syria, who would not have them.  The Palestianians were a scurge even under British rule.  No one supported these people.  They were nomads, essentially.  There was no Palestine or home land for them.  But once Israel was founded and the Arabs saw it as a good issue to unify under, the cause of the Palestinians was taken up.  Theirs is not a fight dating back centuries, but merely a few score.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: James N. Markels</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James N. Markels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3103</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[If the Palestineans had gone the Ghandi route and pushed for peaceful solutions through the UN (who should have been the focus of their ire anyway, unless someone wants to trot out how &quot;Zionists control the UN too!&quot;), I would almost surely have been counted as a supporter of their cause.

I understand where the Jews are coming from -- centuries of brutal oppression capped off by a naked attempt at extermination entitles them more than any others to a place of their own to be safe. But turning around and disenfranchising another group in the process is certainly not the best way to do that. I don&#039;t blame the Palestineans for being pissed. But that doesn&#039;t turn the Israelis into &quot;terrorists&quot; against whom any available violent tactic, no matter how despicable, is fair game. Once the Palestineans embraced terrorism, they lost the moral high ground. I sympathize with their situation, but I don&#039;t see that as a reason to be strapping bombs on your body and heading after civilians. If they want to know why their pleas fall on deaf ears, they need to look at how their strategy has poisoned their own moral standing.

As an aside, I&#039;ve been reading &quot;American Sphinx,&quot; the book on Thomas Jefferson, and there&#039;s a passage about the difficulties in dealing with the Barbary pirates, who were Muslim raiders from Northern Africa. Jefferson noted how the pirate&#039;s ambassador was of the opinion that under the Koran, everyone not a Muslim was a heathen sinner, deserving of death. Therefore, the pirates saw no problems in forcibly taking merchant ships hostage and stealing their cargos.

Sound familiar?
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Palestineans had gone the Ghandi route and pushed for peaceful solutions through the UN (who should have been the focus of their ire anyway, unless someone wants to trot out how &#8220;Zionists control the UN too!&#8221;), I would almost surely have been counted as a supporter of their cause.</p>
<p>I understand where the Jews are coming from &#8212; centuries of brutal oppression capped off by a naked attempt at extermination entitles them more than any others to a place of their own to be safe. But turning around and disenfranchising another group in the process is certainly not the best way to do that. I don&#8217;t blame the Palestineans for being pissed. But that doesn&#8217;t turn the Israelis into &#8220;terrorists&#8221; against whom any available violent tactic, no matter how despicable, is fair game. Once the Palestineans embraced terrorism, they lost the moral high ground. I sympathize with their situation, but I don&#8217;t see that as a reason to be strapping bombs on your body and heading after civilians. If they want to know why their pleas fall on deaf ears, they need to look at how their strategy has poisoned their own moral standing.</p>
<p>As an aside, I&#8217;ve been reading &#8220;American Sphinx,&#8221; the book on Thomas Jefferson, and there&#8217;s a passage about the difficulties in dealing with the Barbary pirates, who were Muslim raiders from Northern Africa. Jefferson noted how the pirate&#8217;s ambassador was of the opinion that under the Koran, everyone not a Muslim was a heathen sinner, deserving of death. Therefore, the pirates saw no problems in forcibly taking merchant ships hostage and stealing their cargos.</p>
<p>Sound familiar?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Roach</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3102</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[It was a British protectorate after WWI.  After dealing with violence from both Arab and Jewish nationalists agitating for an independent state, they handed it over to the UN around &#039;47.   The UN created a partition plan.  Neighboring Arab countries attacked in response.  Israel won the war and more land than it was allotted under the original partition.

An &quot;Arab land&quot; does not mean an Arab state per se.  In this context, it denotes the fact that various Arabs lived there a long time and were indigenous.

Texas used to be part of Mexico.  Does that mean anything important today?  What was right in &#039;48 and what&#039;s the right solution today are very different issues.  The former question may inform the latter, but we must deal with reality.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a British protectorate after WWI.  After dealing with violence from both Arab and Jewish nationalists agitating for an independent state, they handed it over to the UN around &#8217;47.   The UN created a partition plan.  Neighboring Arab countries attacked in response.  Israel won the war and more land than it was allotted under the original partition.</p>
<p>An &#8220;Arab land&#8221; does not mean an Arab state per se.  In this context, it denotes the fact that various Arabs lived there a long time and were indigenous.</p>
<p>Texas used to be part of Mexico.  Does that mean anything important today?  What was right in &#8217;48 and what&#8217;s the right solution today are very different issues.  The former question may inform the latter, but we must deal with reality.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: James N. Markels</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James N. Markels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3101</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like clarification of a fact. In the Lobby paper it is asserted that Israel was crafted out of &quot;Arab land.&quot; It is my understanding that the British actually had sovereign authority over the area at the time, and by act of the United Nations Britian then handed over authority to the newly-created Israeli government. So, it seems to me then that it wasn&#039;t &quot;Arab land,&quot; it was really British land, since no Arab&#039;s signature (aside from the vote in the U.N.) was required to transfer authority. It had been &quot;Arab land&quot; in the past, but it had also once been Jewish land, Roman land, etc. as well. Can anyone clarify the facts of the original transfer for me?
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like clarification of a fact. In the Lobby paper it is asserted that Israel was crafted out of &#8220;Arab land.&#8221; It is my understanding that the British actually had sovereign authority over the area at the time, and by act of the United Nations Britian then handed over authority to the newly-created Israeli government. So, it seems to me then that it wasn&#8217;t &#8220;Arab land,&#8221; it was really British land, since no Arab&#8217;s signature (aside from the vote in the U.N.) was required to transfer authority. It had been &#8220;Arab land&#8221; in the past, but it had also once been Jewish land, Roman land, etc. as well. Can anyone clarify the facts of the original transfer for me?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Roach</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3099</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[A religion, ethnicity, and nationality may all be coextensive as they are somewhat uniquely in the case of the Jews.  Incidentally, most Muslim countries have treated religious minorities quite shabbily, in many cases expelling Jews from Iraq, Iran, etc. after 1948.  While these other nations are defined both by religion and a separate ethnicity, it shows that Israel&#039;s condition is not unique and that others have acted upon a similar status much more aggressively and unjustly.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A religion, ethnicity, and nationality may all be coextensive as they are somewhat uniquely in the case of the Jews.  Incidentally, most Muslim countries have treated religious minorities quite shabbily, in many cases expelling Jews from Iraq, Iran, etc. after 1948.  While these other nations are defined both by religion and a separate ethnicity, it shows that Israel&#8217;s condition is not unique and that others have acted upon a similar status much more aggressively and unjustly.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: E$</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E$]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3098</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Arpie, you&#039;re brilliant.  That is truly insightful and historically grounded analysis.  Do you work for the Brookings Institute?  If not, you should forward a resume to them immediately!
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arpie, you&#8217;re brilliant.  That is truly insightful and historically grounded analysis.  Do you work for the Brookings Institute?  If not, you should forward a resume to them immediately!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: arpie parrot</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[arpie parrot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3097</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t the Amish or jehovah&#039;s witnesses have a country?  The premise: a state is created to accomodate a religion, is a catastrophe to world politics.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t the Amish or jehovah&#8217;s witnesses have a country?  The premise: a state is created to accomodate a religion, is a catastrophe to world politics.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Leif</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3096</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;People in Africa are starving.  Ergo, Israel is undeserving of U.S. aid.&quot;

Brilliant.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People in Africa are starving.  Ergo, Israel is undeserving of U.S. aid.&#8221;</p>
<p>Brilliant.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bfrank</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bfrank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/the-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy/#comment-3094</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Unbelievable. All that stuff about &quot;Cold War&quot; this and that. The point is that &quot;roughly one-fifth of America&#039;s foreign aid budget&quot; is handed over to Israel every year. Most Americans would agree that the U.S. should maintain good political relations with Israel. However, I haven&#039;t heard one of you justify spending &quot;one-fifth&quot; of US foreign aid, which the paper is really about.

Oh yeah, we also gave $29 million to help feed the over 17 million starviong people in Ethiopia and Kenya this year. Wow, that&#039;s almost 2 bucks per person. I hope they have a McDonald&#039;s close by. You people crack me up.
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable. All that stuff about &#8220;Cold War&#8221; this and that. The point is that &#8220;roughly one-fifth of America&#8217;s foreign aid budget&#8221; is handed over to Israel every year. Most Americans would agree that the U.S. should maintain good political relations with Israel. However, I haven&#8217;t heard one of you justify spending &#8220;one-fifth&#8221; of US foreign aid, which the paper is really about.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, we also gave $29 million to help feed the over 17 million starviong people in Ethiopia and Kenya this year. Wow, that&#8217;s almost 2 bucks per person. I hope they have a McDonald&#8217;s close by. You people crack me up.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

