As for free markets = racism, only a true dolt — and by that I mean someone who insists on being ignorant rather than merely being mistaken — could make such a preposterous argument. In case you’re actually reading for content rather than just dreaming up some more neo-Marxist blather to vomit up, realize that most people have no problem with immigration — so long as we’re talking about smart, educated folk. But when it comes to poor, uneducated immigrants, well, even ideological constipated folk like Joe can stand with the David Dukes of this world in solidarity. And who are those immigrants? White Europeans? Heck no. And yet, irony of ironies, it’s Joe pointing the racism finger.

Yeah, somehow it’s racist to allow minorities to go where they want to go to improve their own lives. (Remember, of course, that nobody goes through the time and effort of emigrating to another country to work if that means having a worse job than in your own country.) That’s me, guilty as charged. And when the comfortable fog of stupidity finally lifts from Joe’s soggy brain, perhaps he’ll appreciate the humor of his own position.

Not to mention that to call low-income immigrant labor “corporate welfare” is pretty wilfully ignorant as well. Corporations aren’t hiring illegal immigrants. Only small-scale businesses that can manage under-the-table dealings are doing it. Once you get to real “Corporate America,” whatever that qualifies as, there’s just too much paperwork, too many records, too much regulation to allow it. Illegal immigrants aren’t working at McDonald’s, they are working on farms and in nail salons. Sure, you can call it “small business and individual welfare,” still false, but at least closer to the truth.

But hey, you seem so fixated on me, seems like it doesn’t really matter what is said here. Fine by me. Go on being the perfect example for why self-described “populists” invariably wind up being the least popular folks.

Snore…of course, when you can’t argue monetary economics, and you can’t argue with the facts…so look who is making the ad hominem attacks now?

Of course we see what happens when the utopian free-market-eers at the CATO Ivory Tower do when they are confronted with the fact that free markets aren’t perfect? Or that libertarianism is a barely disquised apologetic for the sins of the Leisure classes? What is the response to anyone who begs to differ from Free Market Fundamentalism of the CEO classes?

You must be a MARXIST …!

Now whose making the ad hominem accusations?

The behavior of the students ditching school to claim entitlement to additional government benefits the last couple of weeks seems strong anecdotal evidence opposed to your theory – at least as far as the children of illegals are concerned.

Once again, though, as the red curtain of Marxist rage descends over your stunted, distorted vision of American and global culture and politics, you have been reduced to hurling slurs and ridiculously unsupported charges, including ad hominem attacks against hominids you can’t even identify or classify. I rather enjoy watching you stand by as the substantive debate rushes past you, your chest thundering silverbackly under the impotent, preening rage of your beating fists, impressing the other economic and historic illiterates you seem to think make up a mass of the American populace, little realizing that the small coiterie of hangers-on whose adoration you so mightily seek are but an amusing sideshow to American politics, American debate, and American life. (I, for instance, had no idea that Know-Nothings still existed, much less that their philosophy had evolved from crude nativism into crypto-Socialist volk worship, but your presence in Roach’s comments reminds me how far even such a goofy group as they can fall – from holding seats in the U.S. Congress to prissing about the Internet under the face-saving shield of a deluded, self-aggrandizing pseudonym.)

Keep entertaining the kiddie table with your preposterous, thumbnail sketches of the world – a world where the Japanese-controlled Disney Corporation imports illegal foreign labor through the guise of front contracting schemes to prop up its failing, multi-billion-dollar shell long enough to sell sex and violence to Americans who don’t want it but somehow can’t stop buying it long enough to realize that their culture is under assault by a massive conspiracy of the Republican CEO class and its allies at the World Bank and the Cato Institute. The adults are busy discussing the real world. And remember, The Little Golden Book of Revolution Against the Expropriation of the Fruits of the Proletariat’s Labor is due back at by Tuesday, and the capitalist dogs running the library system will fine you six cents for every day past.

We’re done here.

My, my, what an amazingly intellectual you have…Mr. Potter.

Obviously, I’m right on the mark with you.

Actually, it’s not our culture that is addictive, it’s that the system of international finance capitalism, or as it’s more popularly known “welfare for Corporations” that is so pervasive. The Export Import Bank–read the public—arranges financing and capital that local economies can’t muster. Aided of course, by the other government agencies designed to protect the rich from the consequenses of their behavior–the WTO and the World Bank!

As for “Disney”…shees, you dummy. “Disney” and Hollywood in general is owned by Japanese investors, so how damned “American” do you think it is?

Disney in particular is failing, as the rules of Corporations prevent CEO’s from actually having to pay the consequenses of their own bad management. The defination these days of a “Hollywood” movie is lots of meaningless sex & violence, coupled with lots of expensive special effects, and usually NO plot or creative direction.

My my…selling sex and violence at the expense of public morals—what a perfectly CAPITALIST idea!!!

According to free market fundamentalists, Corporations like Disney are called “private enterprize”…”private” only as far as the rules benefits the insiders at the expense of the actual owners. On the other hand, it’s hardly an ‘enterprise’, since most American businesses like Disney are running on empty, or on the brink of failing apart.

Morally, you’re the equivalent of Mr. Potter in A Wonderful Life…arguing for removing the social safety net because it creates a ‘thrifty working class”, when everyone knows that Mr. Potter was a selfish sick old man, whose real attitude toward others was that they were “riff-raff” and “garlic eaters”.

Implicit in the arguments of Corporate pimps, such as yourself, is the notion that you think it’s justified for people beneath you to work for slave wages under slave working conditions and hours.

If you didn’t have this derogatory—and even racist— attitude, you’d be concerned that ANYONE would work under conditions such as you are advocating.

In other words, advocating the wage conditions for immigrants is the same as saying that you believe that they deserve less then full human dignity.

Of course, both you and I know that the social consequenses of the economics that you advocate are borne by the public. Corporations make profits, and the public pays. Idiots like you call this, the “free market”.

Indeed, people working in conditions as desperate as you condone, end up behaving in anti-social ways, for which hypocrites like you, living in your gated communities, don’t have to experience.

What we really need to do in this country is TAX people like you out of business. If you want to employ slave labor—YOU PAY for the problems that YOU cause with extra payroll taxes. Unscrupulous cheats like yourself should not be allowed to profit from the misery of others.

We’ve got your number, Mr. <snicker< “Markets”. Whenever you say “free markets” everyone from now on will hear “I’m a racist elitist hypocrite liar who does deserve to live in decent society”.

Hey you miserable piece of flotsom–why don’t you just leave OUR country if you think it’s so awful, and got to some ‘free market, capitalist country like Communist China, or Mexico, where the elite is rewarded for anti-social attudes like yours.

In fact, America would be better off with out you MBA/CEO types, along with the slave labor that you employ to sustain yourself.

The hell? How is it racist to point out that an unskilled laborer might choose to compete with more skilled labor on the basis of wages or willingness to labor for additional hours? And who is calling immigrants inferiors or degenerates? Didn’t you just argue that they have the work ethic to labor for 60 hours at reduced wages?

Roach: “….since poor people take much more from government services than they pay in (including common services, like police roads etc.), why would you expect the addition of massive numbers of poor people to be a net benefit to our societcy as a whole?

Well, Chris. Mr. “Markets” isn’t advocating free markets, he’s advocating welfare for the rich. The debate on immigration usually divides by self-interest…those who benefit from immigration, and those who actually have to live with the consequenses.

Interestingly enough, polls show that lower income and middle class folks are the ones most opposed to immigration. So the chances of a Republican Party dominated by “free market”, or interests of the Leisure classes, will go for enforcement and immigrant limits is quit doubtful.

Another side issue, that Roach doesn’t mention is the racism inherent in the pro-immigration position of Mr. “Markets”…the idea that these immigrants will work under poor, often unhealthy conditions, for slave labor and 60 hour work weeks because they are inherently inferior, or degenerate compared to well-to-do Americans or rich business men is implicit in the immigration argument.

The very idea of the “guest worker” program advocated by Mr. “Markets” and the Corporate Pimps in the Republican Party is also in conflict with any right thinking conservative. If America needs immmigrants, then these folks should come here with the idea of discarding the citizenship of their native land, assimilating into American culture, and becoming full American Citizens.

It is repressive and racist Saudi Arabia, or the Republican allies at the United Arab Republics who have guest worker programs. Chinese Communists import rural farm workers as ‘guest workers’ in slave labor factories. Europe is suffering the social unrest that years of guest worker programs have bestowed on them.

That sort of thing may be allright for Communist or Feudal authoritarians, as well as pimps for the leisure classes like Mr. “Markets. But not for America, the land of the Free

“Your recent article discussed the costs to American taxpayers if we grant amnesty. I would like to give you some personal insight about the costs of illegal immigrants today. I live in Charlotte, N.C. which has an exploding Mexican population. Voters and politicians are in a ferocious battle about the CMS (Charlotte Mecklenburg School System) and their budget request and huge bond request. To counter the protests about the exploding costs, the Board of Education, on our public access channel, presented some statistics ‘proving’ why they need large increases in their budget. Two facts on their presentation were stunning to me—80% of the Mexican children entering the CMS system are on Medicaid and Food Stamps already. There will be over 4,000 new students in the school system, and a substantial percentage (they didn’t give a percentage) are described as having ‘complex needs.’ This is PC code for non-English educational needs.
When I hear people saying these illegal immigrants are paying taxes and are not a burden, I roll my eyes. Anyone can look at the large metropolitan cities and see the impact of illegal immigration—rapidly increasing taxes, especially property taxes to support the costs of supporting illegal immigration.”

Roach, would you be willing to embrace Mexican immigration if it were pretty much a given that these immigrants would be staunch Republicans?

Yeah, just like every other immigrant from every other nation. So? Come on, man. Our culture is so pervasively addictive that there are McDonald’s in China and Disney in France. First-generation immigrants may have their own ingrained beliefs, but their children quickly become just like their American classmates.