All the big Democratic Party politicians are lining up to condemn the “injustice” in Jena. I feel like I’ve gone back in time to the Seventies.
The injustice was that the prosecutor was tough on crime and pursued attempted murder charges when a group of six black boys kicked another boy (who was white) on the ground until he was unconscious. The victim was guilty of the crime of having “dissed” one of the offenders. This particular incident was the culmination of many weeks of racial tension in the town after the group of thugs–which included one with a lengthy criminal record–sat under a tree at the local high school that was traditionally a white hangout on campus. The local rednecks responded by hanging some nooses from the tree as an obvious threat. Now this stuff is all real redneck and foreign to me. I don’t like provocative racists, and I don’t like thuggish crooks.
But I don’t understand why when the crime in question was so violent and brutal, and one of the accused had a prior record, and we can be certain this will someday blow up in everyone’s faces when one of these obviously violent “youths” gets a murder or armed robbery rap, that so many people are earnestly showing their support as if these guys were wrongly accused or something? They’re guilty at the very least of aggravated battery and deserve to do a few years in the penitentiary.
Well, on second thought, I do know the reason: to describe these criminals as the victims fits the liberal script.
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Look, I’m not saying they’re angels, but they don’t deserve jail time, ok? If Lindsay, Paris and everyone else can walk free for getting DUIs, I don’t think these MINORS deserve jail time.
I saw random fights in middle school and high school and no one went to jail for it. The dude that was beat up wasn’t critically injured, he’s fine, it wasn’t as serious as they’re making it. This isn’t a Demo vs Repub arguement, its black vs white issue that’s been going on for far too long.
I know what the Constitution says and those kids that put up the nooses aren’t good people either, did you think about that. EDITED.
Also, I just remembered. Did you not hear the beating at the party in Jena related to this incident? A white girl brought a black boy to a party and a father at the party beat the boy up and no severe charges like attempted murder were filed there, double standard or is that how law is practiced in “White America”?
I heard some kids went to a party uninvited and did not leave. I also heard that when six people kick someone until he’s unconcious, even if he walks away from the hospital it’s still pretty serious.
Not every beating is equal. The victim was unconcious. Rodney King wasn’t even knocked unconcious.
So I guess it was okay for the white kid and his friends to pull a gun on those black students earlier that week? Huh?
First off, the black boys almost killed the white boy and there were no blacks almost killed. Is this the message we tell black Americans that if they are persecuted its okay to brutally beat whites. How can anyone say FREE the JENA SIX…..they should be sentenced accordingly. Otherwise violence becomes acceptable everytime race is threatened. Get a life activists!
No one is saying the other boys involved in the various racial incidents in town do not deserve to be prosecuted. But these cases sound like small town teenage conflicts, not the stuff of racist conspiracies. A fight at a party? An altercation in a parking lot? So, I think anyone involved in criminal activity should be prosecuted and you won’t find me protesting Free the Jena 3 or whatever when they round up some violent rednecks who committed battery. That’s the difference; I feel no love and no connection with white criminals. Black people and their leaders do. Why else the “stop snitching campaigns” and the massive jury nullification in black majority cities like Baltimore. It’s a totally different mentality and it’s doing more to harm the black community than anything being done by white people whether in Jena or anywhere else.
While they deserve to be prosecuted and punished, I think it’s fair to say that 30 years in jail for beating a kid up is pretty severe. Especially when it’s fairly obvious the prosecutor is pushing for harsher punishment on racist grounds. The problem is you can’t hear any reason in this debate over the shrill cries of Sharpton and Jackson.
So alisbasement, your definition of Civil Rights is to allow six thugs to beat a boy into unconsciousness as long as the victim is white and they are black?
Great.
That’s why Civil Rights are deader than OJ’s victims. Because Blacks are just as racist as whites.
Putting Civil Rights on the right to beat into unconsciousness by six-on-one would not be my move.
My move would be for charges to be pressed in the other matters: the fights off campus at parties, the shotgun incident (alleged that the white shotgun owner had a run in with a black kid at a party, was threatened by the kid plus two buddies and grabbed his shotgun out of his truck). It’s possible State authorities could make a case for hanging the nooses (as implied threat).
But the most serious crime is beating the one kid into the hospital. Six-on-one with allegedly thirty witnesses, including teachers. I guess that is what Civil Rights is all about.
The right of black guys to beat six-on-one white guys into the hospital. Shrug.
unfortunately, the whole Jena 6 incident doesn’t fit comfortably in our 20-second sound bite world. the illogical, systematic discrimination (and yes, racism) that pervades every facet of life in Jena, LA led to the unfortunate “beat down” that resulted in the attempted murder charges. it is difficult to illustrate in a 30-second news bit how a noose hanging from “the white tree” is a terrorist threat and how that threat was basically ignored. in most of synopses of the Jena 6 Situation, it is lost that a group of black students were threatened at gun point by a white man (and when they disarmed him, the threatened students were arrested), it is lost that a black student was severely beaten up at a “white” party just a few days before the white student was set upon by the Jena 6. no white person was arrested and charged with assault.
unfortunately, the result of the pushback ended up sending that poor young man to the hospital, even though, we now know that he decided to taunt the wrong group of Black guys (who decided that they would no longer tolerate the racism in their hometown). are they guilty of applying an ass whuppin’? the answer is yes. was it attempted murder? the answer is no.
to my way of thinking, the Jena 6 should be in jail with a couple of their town’s white citizens… now that’s what i would call equal justice!
alisbasement
beaten unconscious = not serious
minors = no jail
Dude, wtf?
I guess anything that might possibly offend the officially protected minorities must be made illegal. When we arrive at that point we have both a Stalinist police state and Other-based National Socialism.
Don’t prosecutors in America routinely throw the book, at first, sometimes with a view to plea bargaining downwards later?
Plez beats that “…it is lost that a group of black students were threatened at gun point by a white man (and when they disarmed him, the threatened students were arrested)”
On a similar note, I know of a white guy who was robbed at knife point by a group of Latino’s this past weekend. I suppose by your logic I should round up five white friends and we should go beat up some random Hispanic guy? Please elaborate on your defense of the beating by the Jena six thugs in light of other historical events which might also tend to justify their hate-filled racist attack? Slavery? Jim Crow? Kanye West not winning awards? I’m sure there are dozens, if not hundreds of perfectly good excuses for groups of blacks to utilize as justification for the beatings of lone, unarmed whites.
And, doesn’t it seem odd to you that one white guy would just randomly choose to menace a group of blacks by pulling out a shot gun? And, who tries to disarm someone armed with a shotgun? Here’s a thought – menacing thugs who see the fear and trembling of the gun-holding intended victim. Here’s a possible scenario – white guy is confronted by a group of blacks. All alone, he sees no recourse other than to pull out a gun. But, his tormentors can clearly see that he is of neither mind nor spirit to actually use it on them. As he shakes nervously, they simply walk forward, reach out, and pull it from his hands.
Yes, this is simple conjecture on my part. But, it would be interesting to know who was it that filed a police report regarding this incident. Was it the group of blacks, or was it the lone white guy? Perhaps the reason no charges where filed against the white guy is that he was the one who had felt threatened, and it was he who filed the report of being menaced and of having his gun stolen.
If you are brave enough, I’d refer you to this piece by Steve Sailer – http://www.vdare.com/sailer/070923_jena.htm – for a different perspective.
Plez,
Assuming you might read this, I wanted to follow-up on my earlier reply to you. When pondering the rational of the “gun” incident, I was merely postulating from a common sense point-of-view as to more logical explanations of what might have happened. Still, I wanted to try to learn more – rather than simply rely on accounts provided by the extremely biased and highly unreliable main-stream press. You might find this passage enlightening:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/jena6.asp
“In another incident that took place on 2 December 2006 at the Gotta-Go Grocery, a convenience store, a white Jena graduate reportedly pulled a pump-action shotgun on three black high school students when they left the shop. The three teens managed to wrestle the gun away from the man (who was injured in the process and was treated at a hospital for his injuries); they were later arrested and charged with second-degree robbery, theft of a firearm, and conspiracy to commit second-degree robbery. Accounts differ as to what happened in that incident, the white victim asserting he was attacked and robbed by the three teens, and the black teens asserting they were guilty of nothing more than defending themselves against a man with a gun. According to The Jena Times, eyewitness accounts provided by those unrelated to any of the four involved parties supported the victim’s story.”
Do note that last sentence – “…eyewitness accounts provided by those unrelated to any of the four involved parties supported the victim’s story.”
Much like I had previously speculated, there is at least some evidence that the white man involved was not out to menace the group of blacks, but rather the victim of them.
In the end, the crime for which the “Jena 6” were charged stands by itself. All of your references to previous events have no bearing on the crime itself – other than to suggest premeditation of that crime.
This whole story is based on mischaracterization and misinformation and outright lies. They talk about a “schoolyard fight” and “series of incidents related to the noose.” The victim did not put up the noose, was not involved in the grocery store incident, nor was he involved in the alleged incident at the party. These are all obiter dicta. He merely taunted one of the criminals, and he got his buddies and tried to kill him. Period.
Hi. I heard about you at the misnamed blog, Bright Minds. It seems that the proprietor there doesn’t like you, and believes in silencing people she (?) doesn’t like. She’s also a liar, a racist, and a moron, as are her teacher cronies, all of whom left me feeling really optimistic about the future of American education.
On Sunday night, I tried to post the following remarks at Bright Minds [sic], but – surprise, surprise – the commissar censored them, too.
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I found your blog while schmoozing the ‘Net for articles about the racist hate crime in Jena. First, I found an entry from July, in support of the Jena 6, and then hit the link to your main page, and found this entry.
I read a reference to a Chris Roach, who I don’t think I’d ever heard of, though with all of the tens of thousands of names I’ve read or heard over the years, who knows?
“Just wanted you all to know that I decided to delete Chris Roach’s comments due to the ignorance and sarcasm contained within them and because he just annoys me. I visited his blog and the ignorance, misinformation, bigotry, etc. that is there is just amazing to me, considering he claims that he is highly educated.
“I don’t mind differing opinions and honest attempts at dialog, but he was not about any of that. Therefore, he had to go. Hopefully, he’ll be gone for good.”
Then I googled under Chris Roach, and found a blog with the following entry, which I’ve excerpted.
Chris Roach on Jena, September 20, 2007
“The local rednecks responded by hanging some nooses from the tree as an obvious threat. Now this stuff is all real redneck and foreign to me. I don’t like provocative racists, and I don’t like thuggish crooks.
“But I don’t understand why when the crime in question was so violent and brutal, and one of the accused had a prior record, and we can be certain this will someday blow up in everyone’s faces when one of these obviously violent ‘youths’ gets a murder or armed robbery rap, that so many people are earnestly showing their support as if these guys were wrongly accused or something? They’re guilty at the very least of aggravated battery and deserve to do a few years in the penitentiary.
“Well, on second thought, I do know the reason: to describe these criminals as the victims fits the liberal script.”
I see from your earlier blog entry, that you were upset at black students of yours who told the truth about the vicious, racist crime against Justin Barker. Forcing falsehoods on students is no way for a teacher to conduct himself.
Someone would have to have an incredible hatred of whites, to support the freeing of the Jena 6.
Yes, “racism is definitely alive and well.”
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