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		<title>By: Obama&#8217;s Declining Popularity &#171; MANSIZEDTARGET.COM</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-pandering-bush-stimulus/#comment-8181</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obama&#8217;s Declining Popularity &#171; MANSIZEDTARGET.COM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I lean towards inflation, but the data seems now to point more the other way. I am a crappy prognosticator in any case, but I do think prices will go up and output down in the usual &#8220;stagflationary&#8221; supply shock, as I said way back when. Whether one or the other factor&#8211;i.e., the deflationary or inflationary trend&#8211;is dominant, I don&#8217;t know. This is another way of saying, even if prices go up, I don&#8217;t think it will be signs of or helpful to a recovery, and we&#8217;re in for bad times one way or the other. I made this &#8220;stagflationary&#8221; point about the Bush stimulus way back in early 2008. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I lean towards inflation, but the data seems now to point more the other way. I am a crappy prognosticator in any case, but I do think prices will go up and output down in the usual &#8220;stagflationary&#8221; supply shock, as I said way back when. Whether one or the other factor&#8211;i.e., the deflationary or inflationary trend&#8211;is dominant, I don&#8217;t know. This is another way of saying, even if prices go up, I don&#8217;t think it will be signs of or helpful to a recovery, and we&#8217;re in for bad times one way or the other. I made this &#8220;stagflationary&#8221; point about the Bush stimulus way back in early 2008. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s All About the Benjamins &#171; MANSIZEDTARGET.COM</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-pandering-bush-stimulus/#comment-6626</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[It&#8217;s All About the Benjamins &#171; MANSIZEDTARGET.COM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] US credit, and an eventual meltdown of the currency, whether in hyperinflation, deflation, or some kind of supply shock combination of both remains to be [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] US credit, and an eventual meltdown of the currency, whether in hyperinflation, deflation, or some kind of supply shock combination of both remains to be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Manley</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-pandering-bush-stimulus/#comment-5166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Manley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that is a very sensible position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that is a very sensible position.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, because no one asked: I agree with David.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, because no one asked: I agree with David.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-pandering-bush-stimulus/#comment-5164</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris, I think that is fairly inaccurate. Usual caveats about Wikipedian reliability, but this list accords with what I recall from my economic history classes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions

To the extent that your implicit argument regarding centralized banks exacerbating economic downturns holds water, I think it is a symptom, not a cause -- central banks make it easier for the government to screw things up because it has access to a centralizing tool that, as Friedman and other monetarists have shown and Keynes inadvertently admitted, can leverage government miscues into massive screw-ups. To paraphrase Archimedes, Give FDR a place to stand, and he&#039;ll prolong the depression by four years or so. The costs of these Keynes-inspired blunders have to be balanced against the benefit of Volcker/Greenspan &quot;tight money&quot; policies that simulate tying U.S. currency values to commodities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I think that is fairly inaccurate. Usual caveats about Wikipedian reliability, but this list accords with what I recall from my economic history classes:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions</a></p>
<p>To the extent that your implicit argument regarding centralized banks exacerbating economic downturns holds water, I think it is a symptom, not a cause &#8212; central banks make it easier for the government to screw things up because it has access to a centralizing tool that, as Friedman and other monetarists have shown and Keynes inadvertently admitted, can leverage government miscues into massive screw-ups. To paraphrase Archimedes, Give FDR a place to stand, and he&#8217;ll prolong the depression by four years or so. The costs of these Keynes-inspired blunders have to be balanced against the benefit of Volcker/Greenspan &#8220;tight money&#8221; policies that simulate tying U.S. currency values to commodities.</p>
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		<title>By: David Manley</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-pandering-bush-stimulus/#comment-5163</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Manley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/18/news/economy/cure.fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes

What he said.]]></description>
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<p>What he said.</p>
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		<title>By: David Manley</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-pandering-bush-stimulus/#comment-5162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Manley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The supply and demand curve that is most important is this particular crisis is the relationship between lenders and borrowers.

Faith in the U.S. economy and increasing world-wide savings (resulting from world-wide economic growth) led to a glut of investment available to American borrowers.  This surplus investment resulted in low interest rates (the P in your supply-demand curve).  

The exceedingly low interest rates then resulted in asset appreciation rather than real growth(i.e. homes overvalued and corporations over-leveraged).  Basically, the U.S. was over-valued.

The American economy, for all its problems, is still a fundamentally sound one.  If we allow the correction to work itself out, we will once again attract capital, which will help fuel real growth rather than asset appreciation.  On the other hand, if we try to protect the over leveraged borrowers, by freezing adjustable rates for example, we are just going to scare off future investment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The supply and demand curve that is most important is this particular crisis is the relationship between lenders and borrowers.</p>
<p>Faith in the U.S. economy and increasing world-wide savings (resulting from world-wide economic growth) led to a glut of investment available to American borrowers.  This surplus investment resulted in low interest rates (the P in your supply-demand curve).  </p>
<p>The exceedingly low interest rates then resulted in asset appreciation rather than real growth(i.e. homes overvalued and corporations over-leveraged).  Basically, the U.S. was over-valued.</p>
<p>The American economy, for all its problems, is still a fundamentally sound one.  If we allow the correction to work itself out, we will once again attract capital, which will help fuel real growth rather than asset appreciation.  On the other hand, if we try to protect the over leveraged borrowers, by freezing adjustable rates for example, we are just going to scare off future investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Roach</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-pandering-bush-stimulus/#comment-5161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Roach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The business cycle and the length of any recessions or depressions was much shorter before centralized banking.  The &quot;panics&quot; of the 19th Century typically lasted a year at most, i.e., the Panic of 1819, the Panic of 1895.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The business cycle and the length of any recessions or depressions was much shorter before centralized banking.  The &#8220;panics&#8221; of the 19th Century typically lasted a year at most, i.e., the Panic of 1819, the Panic of 1895.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-pandering-bush-stimulus/#comment-5160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The business cycle was here before the Fed; the business cycle will continue long after memories of the Fed have fallen into the dust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The business cycle was here before the Fed; the business cycle will continue long after memories of the Fed have fallen into the dust.</p>
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		<title>By: Freemason Hater</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/the-pandering-bush-stimulus/#comment-5155</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freemason Hater]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely and for certain.  The Fed begat 0% rates, which begat the housing bubble, which begat the subprime mortgage market, which begat the current financial turmoil.

Why no one blames the Fed for this mess is beyond me.  The Fed does not smooth out the business cycle, it causes the business cycle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely and for certain.  The Fed begat 0% rates, which begat the housing bubble, which begat the subprime mortgage market, which begat the current financial turmoil.</p>
<p>Why no one blames the Fed for this mess is beyond me.  The Fed does not smooth out the business cycle, it causes the business cycle.</p>
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