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		<title>By: Our Phony Resident Oakeshott Expert &#171; MANSIZEDTARGET.COM</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Indeed, if nothing else, we can agree that the grandeur, pride, self-confidence, and quasi-religious fervor that surrounded Obama&#8217;s campaign and the ambition of his policies while in office are bold and very un-Burkean, regardless of whether one thinks them to be good or necessary policies.  Obama&#8217;s approach is revolutionary, with little regard for how things have been done before or the primitive cries of resistance from the common people.  He is the visionary politician, imposing a social justice vision on a society hidebound by old fashioned and outdated limited government ideals from a bygone era. Sullivan is impressed, and he is impressed because he thinks this is exactly what America needs.  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Indeed, if nothing else, we can agree that the grandeur, pride, self-confidence, and quasi-religious fervor that surrounded Obama&#8217;s campaign and the ambition of his policies while in office are bold and very un-Burkean, regardless of whether one thinks them to be good or necessary policies.  Obama&#8217;s approach is revolutionary, with little regard for how things have been done before or the primitive cries of resistance from the common people.  He is the visionary politician, imposing a social justice vision on a society hidebound by old fashioned and outdated limited government ideals from a bygone era. Sullivan is impressed, and he is impressed because he thinks this is exactly what America needs.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Obama&#8217;s Achilles&#8217; Heal &#171; MANSIZEDTARGET.COM</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Race Relations, Racism, obama Leave a Comment&#160;  I wrote way back when that Obama&#8217;s insecurities about his identity and deference to his party&#8217;s left, in particular on &#8220;black issues,&#8221; may be his [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give me a break. Obama attended this church for twenty years,and the pastor married Obama and his wife. A white politician who attended a church led by a racist pastor would already have been toast, GAME OVER. The double standard is so evident. Besides all of the racial talk, I never could warm up to Obama, for one simply reason--he says nothing, nothing at all of substance. I am sick and tired of these type of politicians regardless of what race they are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break. Obama attended this church for twenty years,and the pastor married Obama and his wife. A white politician who attended a church led by a racist pastor would already have been toast, GAME OVER. The double standard is so evident. Besides all of the racial talk, I never could warm up to Obama, for one simply reason&#8211;he says nothing, nothing at all of substance. I am sick and tired of these type of politicians regardless of what race they are.</p>
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		<title>By: David Manley</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you think it is plausible that Wright&#039;s positions are a surprise to Obama?

Maybe if he only came to church for photo ops and deal making.  Or maybe if Wright is generally much less belligerant in his preaching and if Obama, with his busy political schedule, happened to miss all of his rants.  Or maybe if Wright was much more laid back until these last couple years, when Obama has been in Washington and the campaign trail.

But given his long history of association with Wright, doesn&#039;t it seem much more likely that he was well-aware of Wright&#039;s positions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think it is plausible that Wright&#8217;s positions are a surprise to Obama?</p>
<p>Maybe if he only came to church for photo ops and deal making.  Or maybe if Wright is generally much less belligerant in his preaching and if Obama, with his busy political schedule, happened to miss all of his rants.  Or maybe if Wright was much more laid back until these last couple years, when Obama has been in Washington and the campaign trail.</p>
<p>But given his long history of association with Wright, doesn&#8217;t it seem much more likely that he was well-aware of Wright&#8217;s positions?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Roach</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s actually very plausible to me that a busy politician who travels a lot misses Church quite a bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s actually very plausible to me that a busy politician who travels a lot misses Church quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: David Manley</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yea, you&#039;re right, particularly with the time change.

Until someone puts him at church when one of these sermons was preached, he will have plausible deniability (despite how unplausible it may seem to us).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, you&#8217;re right, particularly with the time change.</p>
<p>Until someone puts him at church when one of these sermons was preached, he will have plausible deniability (despite how unplausible it may seem to us).</p>
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		<title>By: Roach</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me if  he&#039;s got a 1pm engagement in Miami he&#039;s probably getting to the airport in Chicago at 9am, or the night before, with no time for Church.  The problem with this defense is that he undoubtedly was at many sermons that he disagreed with and someone will place him at one of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me if  he&#8217;s got a 1pm engagement in Miami he&#8217;s probably getting to the airport in Chicago at 9am, or the night before, with no time for Church.  The problem with this defense is that he undoubtedly was at many sermons that he disagreed with and someone will place him at one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: David Manley</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/17/report-places-obama-at-controversial-july-07-wright-sermon-official-schedule-places-him-in-miami/

If it turns out that Obama was at the church on July 22 and then flew to Miami, he is going to have a hard time recovering from the lie.]]></description>
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<p>If it turns out that Obama was at the church on July 22 and then flew to Miami, he is going to have a hard time recovering from the lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Salim Faraji</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suggest you read the article below written by a former White evangelical. The double-standard and historical amnesia of White America is sickening. You desire reconciliation without penance or the acceptance of America&#039;s legacy of injustice, inhumanity and white racial privilege in every sector of society. If an African American recounts this history it&#039;s political blasphemy and extremeism, but when white right-wing evangelical fundamentalists indict America it&#039;s called Patriotism!!

Dr. Salim Faraji



Obama&#039;s Minister Committed &quot;Treason&quot; But When My Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero
Posted March 16, 2008 &#124; 04:23 PM (EST) 
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Buzz up! 



When Senator Obama&#039;s preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr. 

Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father&#039;s footsteps) rail against America&#039;s sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the &quot;murder of the unborn,&quot; has become &quot;Sodom&quot; by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, &quot;under the judgment of God.&quot; They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama&#039;s minister&#039;s shouted &quot;controversial&quot; comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton. 
Dad and I were amongst the founders of the Religious right. In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation&#039;s sins instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father&#039;s sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our &quot;stand&quot; by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American. 
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  Consider a few passages from my father&#039;s immensely influential America-bashing book A Christian Manifesto. It sailed under the radar of the major media who, back when it was published in 1980, were not paying particular attention to best-selling religious books. Nevertheless it sold more than a million copies. 

Here&#039;s Dad writing in his chapter on civil disobedience:
If there is a legitimate reason for the use of force [against the US government]... then at a certain point force is justifiable.


And this:
In the United States the materialistic, humanistic world view is being taught exclusively in most state schools... There is an obvious parallel between this and the situation in Russia [the USSR]. And we really must not be blind to the fact that indeed in the public schools in the United States all religious influence is as forcibly forbidden as in the Soviet Union....
Then this:
There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate... A true Christian in Hitler&#039;s Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion... It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God&#039;s law it abrogates it&#039;s authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation...
Was any conservative political leader associated with Dad running for cover? Far from it. Dad was a frequent guest of the Kemps, had lunch with the Fords, stayed in the White House as their guest, he met with Reagan, helped Dr. C. Everett Koop become Surgeon General. (I went on the 700 Club several times to generate support for Koop). 

Dad became a hero to the evangelical community and a leading political instigator. When Dad died in 1984 everyone from Reagan to Kemp to Billy Graham lamented his passing publicly as the loss of a great American. Not one Republican leader was ever asked to denounce my dad or distanced himself from Dad&#039;s statements. 
Take Dad&#039;s words and put them in the mouth of Obama&#039;s preacher (or in the mouth of any black American preacher) and people would be accusing that preacher of treason. Yet when we of the white Religious Right denounced America white conservative Americans and top political leaders, called our words &quot;godly&quot; and &quot;prophetic&quot; and a &quot;call to repentance.&quot;
We Republican agitators of the mid 1970s to the late 1980s were genuinely anti-American in the same spirit that later Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (both followers of my father) were anti-American when they said God had removed his blessing from America on 9/11, because America accepted gays. Falwell and Robertson recanted but we never did.

My dad&#039;s books denouncing America and comparing the USA to Hitler are still best sellers in the &quot;respectable&quot; evangelical community and he&#039;s still hailed as a prophet by many Republican leaders. When Mike Huckabee was recently asked by Katie Couric to name one book he&#039;d take with him to a desert island, besides the Bible, he named Dad&#039;s Whatever Happened to the Human Race? a book where Dad also compared America to Hitler&#039;s Germany. 
The hypocrisy of the right denouncing Obama, because of his minister&#039;s words, is staggering. They are the same people who argue for the right to &quot;bear arms&quot; as &quot;insurance&quot; to limit government power. They are the same people that (in the early 1980s roared and cheered when I called down damnation on America as &quot;fallen away from God&quot; at their national meetings where I was keynote speaker, including the annual meeting of the ultraconservative Southern Baptist convention, and the religious broadcasters that I addressed.
Today we have a marriage of convenience between the right wing fundamentalists who hate Obama, and the &quot;progressive&quot; Clintons who are playing the race card through their own smear machine. As Jane Smiley writes in the Huffington Post &quot;[The Clinton&#039;s] are, indeed, now part of the &#039;vast right wing conspiracy.&#039; (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/im-already-against-the-n_b_90628.html )

Both the far right Republicans and the stop-at-nothing Clintons are using the &quot;scandal&quot; of Obama&#039;s preacher to undermine the first black American candidate with a serious shot at the presidency. Funny thing is, the racist Clinton/Far Right smear machine proves that Obama&#039;s minister had a valid point. There is plenty to yell about these days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest you read the article below written by a former White evangelical. The double-standard and historical amnesia of White America is sickening. You desire reconciliation without penance or the acceptance of America&#8217;s legacy of injustice, inhumanity and white racial privilege in every sector of society. If an African American recounts this history it&#8217;s political blasphemy and extremeism, but when white right-wing evangelical fundamentalists indict America it&#8217;s called Patriotism!!</p>
<p>Dr. Salim Faraji</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s Minister Committed &#8220;Treason&#8221; But When My Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero<br />
Posted March 16, 2008 | 04:23 PM (EST)<br />
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Read More: Barack Obama Jeremiah Wright, Francis Schaeffer, Jeremiah Wright, Obama Church, Obama Church Faith, Obama Faith, Obama Jeremiah Wright, Obama Pastor, Obama&#8217;s Pastor, Breaking Politics News </p>
<p>Buzz up! </p>
<p>When Senator Obama&#8217;s preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father &#8212; Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer &#8212; denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr. </p>
<p>Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father&#8217;s footsteps) rail against America&#8217;s sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the &#8220;murder of the unborn,&#8221; has become &#8220;Sodom&#8221; by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, &#8220;under the judgment of God.&#8221; They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama&#8217;s minister&#8217;s shouted &#8220;controversial&#8221; comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.<br />
Dad and I were amongst the founders of the Religious right. In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation&#8217;s sins instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father&#8217;s sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our &#8220;stand&#8221; by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American.<br />
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  Consider a few passages from my father&#8217;s immensely influential America-bashing book A Christian Manifesto. It sailed under the radar of the major media who, back when it was published in 1980, were not paying particular attention to best-selling religious books. Nevertheless it sold more than a million copies. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Dad writing in his chapter on civil disobedience:<br />
If there is a legitimate reason for the use of force [against the US government]&#8230; then at a certain point force is justifiable.</p>
<p>And this:<br />
In the United States the materialistic, humanistic world view is being taught exclusively in most state schools&#8230; There is an obvious parallel between this and the situation in Russia [the USSR]. And we really must not be blind to the fact that indeed in the public schools in the United States all religious influence is as forcibly forbidden as in the Soviet Union&#8230;.<br />
Then this:<br />
There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate&#8230; A true Christian in Hitler&#8217;s Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion&#8230; It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God&#8217;s law it abrogates it&#8217;s authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation&#8230;<br />
Was any conservative political leader associated with Dad running for cover? Far from it. Dad was a frequent guest of the Kemps, had lunch with the Fords, stayed in the White House as their guest, he met with Reagan, helped Dr. C. Everett Koop become Surgeon General. (I went on the 700 Club several times to generate support for Koop). </p>
<p>Dad became a hero to the evangelical community and a leading political instigator. When Dad died in 1984 everyone from Reagan to Kemp to Billy Graham lamented his passing publicly as the loss of a great American. Not one Republican leader was ever asked to denounce my dad or distanced himself from Dad&#8217;s statements.<br />
Take Dad&#8217;s words and put them in the mouth of Obama&#8217;s preacher (or in the mouth of any black American preacher) and people would be accusing that preacher of treason. Yet when we of the white Religious Right denounced America white conservative Americans and top political leaders, called our words &#8220;godly&#8221; and &#8220;prophetic&#8221; and a &#8220;call to repentance.&#8221;<br />
We Republican agitators of the mid 1970s to the late 1980s were genuinely anti-American in the same spirit that later Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (both followers of my father) were anti-American when they said God had removed his blessing from America on 9/11, because America accepted gays. Falwell and Robertson recanted but we never did.</p>
<p>My dad&#8217;s books denouncing America and comparing the USA to Hitler are still best sellers in the &#8220;respectable&#8221; evangelical community and he&#8217;s still hailed as a prophet by many Republican leaders. When Mike Huckabee was recently asked by Katie Couric to name one book he&#8217;d take with him to a desert island, besides the Bible, he named Dad&#8217;s Whatever Happened to the Human Race? a book where Dad also compared America to Hitler&#8217;s Germany.<br />
The hypocrisy of the right denouncing Obama, because of his minister&#8217;s words, is staggering. They are the same people who argue for the right to &#8220;bear arms&#8221; as &#8220;insurance&#8221; to limit government power. They are the same people that (in the early 1980s roared and cheered when I called down damnation on America as &#8220;fallen away from God&#8221; at their national meetings where I was keynote speaker, including the annual meeting of the ultraconservative Southern Baptist convention, and the religious broadcasters that I addressed.<br />
Today we have a marriage of convenience between the right wing fundamentalists who hate Obama, and the &#8220;progressive&#8221; Clintons who are playing the race card through their own smear machine. As Jane Smiley writes in the Huffington Post &#8220;[The Clinton's] are, indeed, now part of the &#8216;vast right wing conspiracy.&#8217; (<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/im-already-against-the-n_b_90628.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/im-already-against-the-n_b_90628.html</a> )</p>
<p>Both the far right Republicans and the stop-at-nothing Clintons are using the &#8220;scandal&#8221; of Obama&#8217;s preacher to undermine the first black American candidate with a serious shot at the presidency. Funny thing is, the racist Clinton/Far Right smear machine proves that Obama&#8217;s minister had a valid point. There is plenty to yell about these days.</p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the larger context here:  <a href="http://acropolisreview.com/2008/03/barack-obama-condemns-reverend-jeremiah.html" rel="nofollow">http://acropolisreview.com/2008/03/barack-obama-condemns-reverend-jeremiah.html</a></p>
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