Your only chance to gain any say in the party once again is for it to be burnt to the ground, which will require Obama to win (possible, but unsure) and both houses to go strongly democrat (virtual certainty).

Only then will the Republicans see the neocons for the conservative poseurs that they are.

Supporting McCain is just helping to dig your own grave that they are going to bury you in.

I know we won’t have an America for long if McCain continues with his open-borders fantacism. We won’t be America. I’ll be as concerned with an attack on the US as one on China or Europe or Mexico or anywhere else, because although I’ll live here, the other people living here will be indistinguishable from foreigners in every respect.

That’s exactly why your position that he’s the least-bad option — even given your long-run view — is wrong.

With McCain, we will get George W. Bush without the fiscal restraint, thoughtful international strategy, and eloquence. Plus open borders.

With Obama — I am assuming that Mrs. Clinton will receive the coup de grace today – we will get pure quintessence of left-wing dogma, racial and ethnic agression, smooth talk with no thought to back it up, higher taxes, and Islamophilia. Plus open borders.

The only real question is which will bring about a reaction against the Liberal Establishment most quickly and profoundly.

I think you’ve called it correctly. With Obama installed, the opposition will have no choice but to break the taboos of the past 40 years: if they are to play politics at all, they will have no choice but to criticize and oppose a man who identifies himself as black. It could be a turning point in the fight against political correctness.

The pseuo-patriots have emerged in the place of the old moderates, supporting “humanitarian” interventions in Haiti, Kosovo, and elsewhere, but a robust national security voice is absent from the Democratic Party and has been for a long time.

Monkey, you are correct on McCain’s pseudo-budget hawkishness. His heart is not really in it, and he doesn’t believe in or really understand the economic side to the limited government talk of Reagan Republicans. He’s all war, all the time. That’s his passion. That’s where he sees meaning, sacrifice, unity, and purpose. Any domestic cuts will be offset by his strong stances against Iran, China, and Russia, and we risk a major war on his watch. Be forewarned.

McCain’s reputed fiscal hawkishness is the worst betrayal. I could stomach his misguided foreign policies, intellectual limitations, etc. if he truly lived up to his reputation as a budget hawk.

But it is clear from his reversal on the GWB tax cuts, and his refusal to propose realistic budget cuts, that he is little more than a fiscal panderer, who will shuffle the economic hard questions to the bottom of the pile (to be dealt with by a future president).

Today’s WSJ points out how McCain’s proposed cuts in discretionary spending are basically un-doable, and his Medicare prescription drug changes amount to around $2B in savings.

I’m totally cynical. Give me lower taxes for 4 more years, and hopefully my family will have enough money to retire forever. The house of cards be damned. I just want to grab the cash before the music stops.

You mean like Truman (Korea) and Kennedy/Johnson (Cuba, Vietnam)?

Really, Mr. Roach, sometimes your incisiveness takes my breath away. And then other times you really sound pretty dim. Take off the partisan blinders. Anti-Communism was a bipartisan affair until the shocks of Vietnam hit. And then, the anti-war crowd wasn’t wrong – they were just obnoxious mostly. (With the exception of the Ayers wing, who were and are criminals.)