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		<title>By: Christopher Roach i svensk översättning - Vad är paleokonservatism? &#171; Paleolibertarian</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/what-neoconservatism-is-not/#comment-6371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Roach i svensk översättning - Vad är paleokonservatism? &#171; Paleolibertarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: FAS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Christopher Roach i svensk översättning - Vad är paleokonservatism?</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/what-neoconservatism-is-not/#comment-6292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FAS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Christopher Roach i svensk översättning - Vad är paleokonservatism?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: resh</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/what-neoconservatism-is-not/#comment-6169</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Far from it, as is amply demonstrated by the fact that neocons continue to invite the jihadis to live among us. In fact, the neocons are triangulating off this jihad, exploiting it for their own benefit.&quot;

1) Jihadists living &quot;amongst us&quot;? 

Ok. Have you contacted your local police dept.? In my home town, the people&#039;s republic of Philly, we have more Elvis sightings than jihadists.

2) &quot;Their&quot; own benefit? 

And what, praytell, would those benefits be? Is Cheney plotting a future role as emperor of Baghdad?

3) Triangulating.

Can we get past any political discussion in the modern era sans that word? I&#039;m strangulating from its over-use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Far from it, as is amply demonstrated by the fact that neocons continue to invite the jihadis to live among us. In fact, the neocons are triangulating off this jihad, exploiting it for their own benefit.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Jihadists living &#8220;amongst us&#8221;? </p>
<p>Ok. Have you contacted your local police dept.? In my home town, the people&#8217;s republic of Philly, we have more Elvis sightings than jihadists.</p>
<p>2) &#8220;Their&#8221; own benefit? </p>
<p>And what, praytell, would those benefits be? Is Cheney plotting a future role as emperor of Baghdad?</p>
<p>3) Triangulating.</p>
<p>Can we get past any political discussion in the modern era sans that word? I&#8217;m strangulating from its over-use.</p>
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		<title>By: ben tillman</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/what-neoconservatism-is-not/#comment-6167</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Conversely, the neocons are waging war against a global jihad....&quot;

Far from it, as is amply demonstrated by the fact that neocons continue to invite the jihadis to live among us.  In fact, the neocons are triangulating off this jihad, exploiting it for their own benefit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Conversely, the neocons are waging war against a global jihad&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Far from it, as is amply demonstrated by the fact that neocons continue to invite the jihadis to live among us.  In fact, the neocons are triangulating off this jihad, exploiting it for their own benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/what-neoconservatism-is-not/#comment-6157</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Murray Rothbard never saluted Khrushchev. That was just bullshit from the mind of William F Buckley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murray Rothbard never saluted Khrushchev. That was just bullshit from the mind of William F Buckley.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Linkage &#171; Brave New World Watch</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/what-neoconservatism-is-not/#comment-6149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Weekly Linkage &#171; Brave New World Watch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Roach, who has also been holding the fort along with Marcus Epstein at Taki&#8217;s Magazine, has a great post on the libertarian tendency to label any deviation from libertarianism [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: resh</title>
		<link>http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/what-neoconservatism-is-not/#comment-6148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[resh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And is this sort of ambitious nation-building really necessary to scare off or kill folks like Bin Laden and company?&quot;

Short answer: yep.

Long answer: I don&#039;t pretend to know bin Laden any more than you do. But his eschatological visions and pious machinations are as clear as they are retrograde. He&#039;s looking for life as it was portrayed and practiced in and circa, Deuteronomy. So cometh his inexorable crusade.

Oh, the joy.

Or read some Qutb, maybe Maududi, his alter-egos. The whole anti-western, anti-science, anti-intellectualism mantra therein rings as loudly as a midnight tocsin.

Double joy.

Yes, indeed, bin Laden was angered that his homeland was occupied by the infidels, the USA. But his madness transcends that episodic bitterness. Hence his ideological reach into Afghanistan, Somalia, Albania, Tanzania, Chechnya, Pakistan and beyond. 

But to your direct query. See if these words, below, carefully disguised (just to make you guess)do anything for you. I ask only because to me they parallel-and suitably address-our untidy confrontation with Islamic fundamentalism of today with, well, with an equally untidy and dreadful menace from the past. So, too, do these words represent a kind of neocon mindset, perhaps less militant and less idealistic but no less convincing (and ultimately successful) in their utilitarian truths.

So why not use them. Still.

&quot;the main element of any United States policy toward the  must be a long-term, patient but firm and vigilant containment of  expansive tendencies...  pressure against the free institutions of the Western world is something that can be contained by the adroit and vigilant application of counterforce at a series of constantly shifting geographical and political points, corresponding to the shifts and manoeuvers of policy, but which cannot be charmed or talked out of existence.&quot;

Inserts mine.

I&#039;m thinking the author was one of your heroes, as he was to a generation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And is this sort of ambitious nation-building really necessary to scare off or kill folks like Bin Laden and company?&#8221;</p>
<p>Short answer: yep.</p>
<p>Long answer: I don&#8217;t pretend to know bin Laden any more than you do. But his eschatological visions and pious machinations are as clear as they are retrograde. He&#8217;s looking for life as it was portrayed and practiced in and circa, Deuteronomy. So cometh his inexorable crusade.</p>
<p>Oh, the joy.</p>
<p>Or read some Qutb, maybe Maududi, his alter-egos. The whole anti-western, anti-science, anti-intellectualism mantra therein rings as loudly as a midnight tocsin.</p>
<p>Double joy.</p>
<p>Yes, indeed, bin Laden was angered that his homeland was occupied by the infidels, the USA. But his madness transcends that episodic bitterness. Hence his ideological reach into Afghanistan, Somalia, Albania, Tanzania, Chechnya, Pakistan and beyond. </p>
<p>But to your direct query. See if these words, below, carefully disguised (just to make you guess)do anything for you. I ask only because to me they parallel-and suitably address-our untidy confrontation with Islamic fundamentalism of today with, well, with an equally untidy and dreadful menace from the past. So, too, do these words represent a kind of neocon mindset, perhaps less militant and less idealistic but no less convincing (and ultimately successful) in their utilitarian truths.</p>
<p>So why not use them. Still.</p>
<p>&#8220;the main element of any United States policy toward the  must be a long-term, patient but firm and vigilant containment of  expansive tendencies&#8230;  pressure against the free institutions of the Western world is something that can be contained by the adroit and vigilant application of counterforce at a series of constantly shifting geographical and political points, corresponding to the shifts and manoeuvers of policy, but which cannot be charmed or talked out of existence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Inserts mine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking the author was one of your heroes, as he was to a generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Roach</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1989 was a perfect time.  And Saddam would have been just fine with us if we bought his oil after taking over Kuwait.  We could&#039;ve brokered a truce with him and the Saudis, and we&#039;d not be there right now.  I&#039;m not convinced Islam has it in for us--other than in a vague, someday we&#039;ll take you over or you&#039;ll all convert kind of way--because of Madonna and MTV.  They seem to complain far more about troops in Saudi Arabia, support for corrupt regimes in Islamic lands, and American-made Israeli helicopters killing Palestinians.

Some of our mistakes are at meta-level, because we are trying to accomplish nation-building and modernity infusion in a land quite ill disposed to that sort of thing.  Obama facilely suggests we should focus on Afghanistan.  But the question begs itself:  why is the same strategy that&#039;s not working terribly well in Iraq going to succeed in Afghanistan?  And is this sort of ambitious nation-building really necessary to scare off or kill folks like Bin Laden and company?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1989 was a perfect time.  And Saddam would have been just fine with us if we bought his oil after taking over Kuwait.  We could&#8217;ve brokered a truce with him and the Saudis, and we&#8217;d not be there right now.  I&#8217;m not convinced Islam has it in for us&#8211;other than in a vague, someday we&#8217;ll take you over or you&#8217;ll all convert kind of way&#8211;because of Madonna and MTV.  They seem to complain far more about troops in Saudi Arabia, support for corrupt regimes in Islamic lands, and American-made Israeli helicopters killing Palestinians.</p>
<p>Some of our mistakes are at meta-level, because we are trying to accomplish nation-building and modernity infusion in a land quite ill disposed to that sort of thing.  Obama facilely suggests we should focus on Afghanistan.  But the question begs itself:  why is the same strategy that&#8217;s not working terribly well in Iraq going to succeed in Afghanistan?  And is this sort of ambitious nation-building really necessary to scare off or kill folks like Bin Laden and company?</p>
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		<title>By: resh</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Precisely, DM.

Roach forgets, or fails to introduce, that Cincinnatus had the luxury of repose and plowing fields. Conversely, the neocons are waging war against a global jihad, not against some microscopic clan from the obscure plains of Italy who got cranky cause a few Roman soldiers peed on their vineyards. Or whatever.

If you ask me, the neocons-including Roach&#039;s erstwhile mentor Strauss-were 1) prescient and 2) ahead of their time. 

(Hmm...maybe that&#039;s the same thing.)

Anyway, the cure for the virus that is fanatical Islam is hardly a return to the farm. Better that we turn ploughshares into political modernity and awaken the brain dead.

Surely there was a leader to pattern named democratist?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely, DM.</p>
<p>Roach forgets, or fails to introduce, that Cincinnatus had the luxury of repose and plowing fields. Conversely, the neocons are waging war against a global jihad, not against some microscopic clan from the obscure plains of Italy who got cranky cause a few Roman soldiers peed on their vineyards. Or whatever.</p>
<p>If you ask me, the neocons-including Roach&#8217;s erstwhile mentor Strauss-were 1) prescient and 2) ahead of their time. </p>
<p>(Hmm&#8230;maybe that&#8217;s the same thing.)</p>
<p>Anyway, the cure for the virus that is fanatical Islam is hardly a return to the farm. Better that we turn ploughshares into political modernity and awaken the brain dead.</p>
<p>Surely there was a leader to pattern named democratist?</p>
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		<title>By: David Manley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Manley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If in 1989 we had returned to our farms a la Cincinnatus, I am fairly confident we would still be radical Islam&#039;s #1 target, which would have put us right back into the same position.

Oil prices would also be a lot higher, as Saddam would control both the Kuwaiti and Saudi oil fields.

I&#039;m all for returning to the farm myself, but this is a 20-40 year process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If in 1989 we had returned to our farms a la Cincinnatus, I am fairly confident we would still be radical Islam&#8217;s #1 target, which would have put us right back into the same position.</p>
<p>Oil prices would also be a lot higher, as Saddam would control both the Kuwaiti and Saudi oil fields.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for returning to the farm myself, but this is a 20-40 year process.</p>
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